We have invented the RaxSki
because we found no ski turning fast enough
nor tracking well enough in all snow and terrain conditions.
After 20 years of desparate attempts to invent such a revolutionary ski
we “bent" the normal side-cut ski behind the binding
and fixed surfboard-like fins at the ski tail.
That was the break-through. A ski that can be operated like an ice-skate (on hard slopes)
and a surfboard (on powder).
This is how the “Ski with Rear Fins" was born on extreme Austrian slopes in 2006.
Controversial discussions on leading web forums started in October 2007
and resulted in improved models for freeriding, groomed piste, experts, intermediate skiers, children and beginners.
The RaxSki is a child of internet
Wait...all riding is done in the backseat?? Oh-oooh....that doesnt seem safe at all to me!
If you were right, Vattendroppe, how could you explain scores of knie injuries (ligament ruptures) with "ordinary" carving skis? All these were caused by sudden torque that simply tore ligaments.
Well I understand that you do'nt believe the RaxSki could be better for your knies.
No reference will help you unless you get your own experience with this new ski category.
Well this sure is fun...
I would like to make two statements. One in favor and one against.
Seems to me like the most solid argument against this product is not the theory that is laid out in the discussion about physics and what have you. The thing that seems to me to prove that the RaxSki is not "all the hype" is that the riders using RaxSki most of the time look like drunk Danes who are about to crap their pants. And that is just about all the empirical evidence there is to go on... or no?
Skiing is about feeling. Right? and the feeling you might be looking for probably differs a lot from skier to skier. Perhaps in Austria they like that feeling of crazy skiing that snowblades will give you, and the RaxSki probably gives you more control while doing it.. A lot of weird movements of the hips seem to be involved when skiing the RaxSki, and perhaps that gives some people a good feeling.
In conclusion: Looks like shit for skiers who want to ski big and fast and knows how to ski. But may be a fun product for those who want to tippytoe around the mountain/piste and doesn't know any better.. As a commercial product weirder things have made people rich in the past, so perhaps it will sell... but not looking like this..
Question: Why does he (tomtomaustria or whatever) spend so much time on forums hyping this? Its a lost cause if ever I've seen one...
1) As I said, if you take a fall (or have an accident of another kind) you might very well hurt you knees, but I guess that applies to your product as well?...
2) ...to refuse ...references ...
3) "I skied a new ski with this awesome thing called rocker. With rocker getting injured while skiing is absolutely impossible,..."
1) Vattendroppe, I was talking about knee ligament ruptures WITHOUT falli ! Like Benni Raich's accident in Garmisch-Partenkirchen on Feb 16. An eventual fall would save his knees! Accidents like this are 100% caused by shaped edges.
2) I guess I have already cited references like US test report
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and the Austrian report
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3) You are right, this statement does not reflect the reality! You can get injured everywhere.
But statistics and probabilities of injury are real.
...you have to ski more in the backseat then on a regular ski? And what about falling and getting chopped in the leg by one of the fins?
...What I say is that without falling/having some kind of minor accident or skiing with a bad technique there's really no risk of having knee injuries at all normal skis....
1. Is there some way to try these things out? Any test-day soon in the alps??
2. Do you have a powder model??
(apologies if these questions already have been answered)
Austrian former world champion Benni Raich had neither a fall nor a bad technique on that day.
I know it is not easy to realize that.
Wikipedia says nothing about a Benni Raich having a knee injury
Nu är det väl ändå så att wikipedia är inte särskilt tillförlitlig, även om det blivit bättre, och vill man vara seriös i sitt informationsinhämtande så är det klokt att inte avsluta sökningen där.
i really truthfully sort of like the design on these ones.
För övrigt.... Fyfaaan för transportsträckor på sånadäringa.... måste vara helvetet på jorden.
In Sweden, probably a third of the population skis. That means about 3 million skiers.
And this is "only" in Sweden. Compared with this, feels a study of 1,000 riders rather trifling ...
Wont you say?
Like many in this forum, I simply not think it's a good and fun product. It dosen't look fun to ski with... It seems to hamper ski developments, rather than fostering it. And that just feels wrong!!! Sorry, but that's the way i feel. Feel free to convinse me... Ops, that's what you are trying to do...
To judge by the moves of the skiers on your website it seems that even riding style will be completely crazy and it all feels very very wobbly. But maybe it becomes a fly (as we say in Sweden;)) and you may eveb earn some bucks.
But if you think you will get over the great mass of skiers, if you think this will be a "new product" on the ski market (type snowboarding and skis of all kind) you probably just fooling yourself. BUT stranger things have happened...
A bleach tips to finish. Add a little more money to make stunning movies and create more image around the company (unfortunately, feels like an impossible task).
When I think Raxski I think of the 80's in colorful suits And zink paste. Why is it so?
Can you answer that maybe you can change your image ...
....because we found no ski turning fast enough
nor tracking well enough in all snow and terrain conditions....
Try my S3, they are superfast to turn with!!! They also are superdupergood in all conditions!
Another question. How is sexappeal for the rider of this ski. Wil hardly be picked up on the hill ...
I will say following: The snowboard once started with 10 riders.
Like many in this forum, I simply not think it's a good and fun product. It dosen't look fun to ski with... Feel free to convinse me... .
That's actually not quite true. Snowboard started with one rider...
Would like to race down steeps with you! Just to compare.
hehe, you asked me in a way that I would not dare to go down slopes like the one on the image. The difference between you and me is that I do it in "real" ski, and you (or who it is in the picture) do it in boots with fins and ski tips. See the difference?
Just to clarify, yes I would love to ski steeps as the one in the picture. Hope it is long to! To go down a slope at 60 degrees inclination is not any problem. Making it a longer distance requires a bit more. AND to do so with the extreme position (read toiletposition) as the guy on picture you must have insane thigh muscles...
But I will not work against you anymore. To be honest as I think it is good that there are creative people trying. If I then like the product is another question. Honestly, it feels a bit dangerous. A development of snowblades, and how fun is that?
And again, you can not have movies and photos on your webbsite as you have today. Men in late middle age who go shirtless dressed in moguls-pants ARE NOT good for your image.
ok, just for a science test, where can i test a pair? As i said, i will not buy a pair or rent. But i´m willing to try a pair just for your perseverance...
I would love to see a movie clip of a Raxskier going down something as steep as those photos.
There, I fixed it.
Var det inte nån som försökte sälja pjäxor man kunde åka på för några år sedan?
Men det roligaste är nog alla kommentarer från skidåkartalibaner hur lätt ni verka känna er hotade bara för att det kommer en ny produkt som eventuellt skulle funka bättre än många skidor folk använder idag i svenska skitbackar. Men visst ett par feting skidor ser ju coolare ut.
...I was talking about knee ligament ruptures WITHOUT falli ! Like Benni Raich's accident in Garmisch-Partenkirchen on Feb 16. An eventual fall would save his knees! Accidents like this are 100% caused by shaped edges.But statistics and probabilities of injury are real.
" As we descend down a red run my feet start to wiggle from side to side independently. Instead of edging and angulating it was possible just make a turn by twisting flat feet."
"The drag slowed things down a bit and I was having fun until my ski caught something underneath and I was out of the binding"
Oh, I almost forgot...
If a fall would have saved him from knee damage, I guess it's just too bad that Benni Raich isn't a Rax skier...
1) I should start by saying that I'm an orthopaedic surgeon. ... You obviously have no knowledge of biomechanichal mechanisms of the knee or the pathogenesis of knee injuries...
2) Catching something under the snow and making a faceplant - safe?
3)...not all inventions are good inventions...
2) "Catching something under the snow" is my profession, DrTelemark. I have a degree in physics and 5 years
experience with RaSki.
Let me explain it shortly: Rax fins cannot work as a hook as their lower edges are nearly parallel to slope.
It means that "submerged hindrance" could never stop or even harass the Rax skier.
Sometimes the ski tail would be kicked up but this torque is absorbed by ski tips dashing on the snow
surface. Skier can continue without eating the snow.
3) Is anybody saying that the shaped carvers were a good invention ? After all, 100% of your patients got injured while skiing on regular skis like carvers, twin tips or all-mountain.
WHERE DID YOU GET THOOSE POLES?!