Jag sökte lite, och hittade ingen tråd som behandlade OS, med diskussioner och nyheter etc. Och såhär 100 dagar innan spelen i Sotji kör igång, kändes det som dags att skapa en.
Vi är säkerligen ett flertal som fortfarande ställer oss något tveksamma till pipe och inte minst slopestyle i OS. Men jag tror även i princip alla här är rätt nyfikna på hur det kommer bli. Särskilt när det fortfarande finns många frågetecken;
-Hur många kan Sverige skicka dit, och vilka blir det?
-The North Face presenterade USAs landslags-dräkt (http://freeskier.com/stories/north-face … iforms-nyc) nyligen. Hur kommer Sveriges se ut, och vilka gör den?
-Viasat ska sända spelen (wtf?), och de har kittat upp med diverse kreddiga expertkommentatorer i de flesta discipliner, men vem får äran i pipe och slopestyle? Ska vi göra en namninsamling för Jeppenator?
-Med tanke på att gemene man i Sverige antagligen inte har någon som helst koll på sporten, borde något mer göras för att marknadsföra den? Eller keep it underground?
-Kommer åkarna få ha energidrycksponsorklistermärken (yä!) på hjälmarna?
Ja, frågorna är många. Diskutera, klaga, hypea, osv! Det är som sagt endast 100 dagar kvar.
Vänta här nu, att vara en bra atlet för företagen är att få företagen att sälja mer - vilket Jon är väldigt duktig på. Jag skulle dock vilja påstå att filmåkarna säljer minst lika mycket som majoriteten av tävlingsåkarna gör, därav är det skevfördelat. Rekommenderar alla att läsa Logans inlägg på NS noggrant och efter ni har läst det - läs det en gång till. Han har några väldigt befogade synpunkter.
Jarle: Hur många av de toppåkarna i New School har sjukt bra betalt? Vet vi det? Hur många heltidsproffs i new school i Sverige har INTE jobb på låg säsongen? Hur många "fri åkare" har sjukt bra betalt? Hur många svenska friåkare är heltidsproffs? Hur många heltidsproffs skulle Sverige kunna ha?
Saken är den att industrin går på knäna inom de flesta grenar nu. Finns inga vidare pengar att "ge" bort. Min åsikt är att det kommer bli mindre och mindre heltidsproffs både på film och tävling som enbart har "skidrelaterad" märken som sponsorer.
Och OS kommer nog inte göra ekonomin bättre för de som inte är topp 3. Jämför ett NHL lag tex? De har en budget och då kan de välja att ge de bästa mycket i lön eller ge hela laget lika betalt....
Ett exempel på hur marknaden börjar gå utför är detta: Billabong värt 0 kr
Det är klart att alla vill att alla ska få skäligt betalt oavsett vad man arbetar med.
En till parameter som jag tycker borde vägas in är att friåkning är lite som showbiz el liknande.
Det står många på kö att göra ditt jobb för nästan ingenting och det pressar ner lönerna för alla utom en smal topp.
Sen tycker jag kanske inte att det är sponsorernas ansvar att hålla uppe lönerna. Dom har andra saker att ta ansvar för. Sina anställda t ex.
Jag har tyvärr inget bra och rimligt alternativ att komma med.
Om marknaden och Billafjåång är på väg utför så tror jag att det kan vara läge att fira med en knapp Schnapptzie ikväll Är den västerländska folksjälen på väg mot frid och ett hållbart balanserat leverne? Kommer den samtida och 'något förljugna nyliberala geggan att äntligen lämna plats åt en mer rättvis resursfördelning och värld? Det var den bästa och finaste nyhet som jag har hört på länge!
Sina anställda t ex.
Eftersom jag helst undviker amerikanska sidor (då det mer än ofta ger mig herpes i ögonen), skulle du kunna vara så vänlig att länka till Herr Logans inlägg? Jag försökte hitta det, men misslyckades å det grövsta.
Recently many of you have noticed that I have become a salty son of a bitch on this website. Looking back, I didn't make a conscious decision to become a hater; I've been slowly slipping in that direction for some time now. The Margetts debacle really was just the straw that broke the camel's back, and ever since then I've had no filter when it came to sharing my opinion on everything surrounding the Olympics.
I fucking hate what the Olympics are doing to us.
Everyone talks about how good it's going to be for our sport, and how we will see an influx of money, and blah, blah, blah. Well my question is: where the fuck is it? At first I thought, well it must be getting pumped into all the Olympic athletes. Then I see one of the top Canadian half pipe skiers begging for money, and he has some of the largest sponsors in the game. Well then it became apparent that the money for the Olympic athletes to train is coming from their respective governments and not sponsors. You know where that leads me to believe the money in our industry is? Shhhh, it's not really there. Our industry is fucking broke. And the Olympics isn't going to fix it.
You know when our industry was at its peak? In the 70's and 80's When Warren Miller films were selling out 20,000 seat theatres and coked up mogul skiers were ripping bumps and banging hookers in hot tubs. Ski films were broadcast to huge audiences, not just the niche group we are in now. You know how we got to that point? A large portion of the money was poured back into the ski film industry, allowing them not only to produce, but also to promote their film every year. Sure, having the X-Games broadcast on ESPN might get some kid stoked on skiing, but it doesn't have the allure to draw in the audience like Warren Miller narrating a piece about flying a bush plane onto a glacier to ski powder. Even now days, can you imagine if Into the Mind had a national TV spot for their US tour with dates and shit during half time on Monday Night Football? (Incoming blatant assumption) They probably have the biggest film budget in the game and couldn't afford to do that.
I think that there is a serious misallocation of funds in our industry.
It's fucking atrocious the amount of money that film companies and skiers get paid. This became most apparent to me when I was reading a blog entry or some shit Martini put up talking about Cam needing to borrow money from him because he was fucking broke and couldn't get his travel reimbursements yet to keep going on. For fucks sake, that was after two years of parts filled with some of the burliest urban in the game. And he doesn't have enough money to get an Egg McMuffin and a cup of coffee? Why is there this idea at the corporate level that the guys at Stept don't deserve as much money as some dude that finishes 7th at the X-Games?
Can anyone here tell me (without looking it up) who won the X-Games three years ago and how you felt when they stomped the money booter? Probably not. But I'm sure a many of you here can remember how you wanted to jump out of your fucking seat when the screen shifted from black and white to color on Pep's opening cork 7 in 1242, and that segment is 10 years old! Why isn't the money in the industry going to the people that are leaving legacies instead of people that are just adding 180 degrees of rotation or another flip every season?
(Again, blatant assumption incoming) I'm willing to bet that's why a lot of your favorite movie companies are being forced to shift to two-year productions. They aren't able anymore to afford to put out the production that they really, really want to in one season, but when you spread those funds out over two years, voila, you've got enough to make a banging film. It costs less for the riders too, so when your sponsor has to chop two grand off of your travel budget it's not a huge deal because you are going to have another entire season to make up for that one trip you might have missed, plus a few more. Ultimately, I feel, it does you the viewer an injustice. Everyone might sell it as, “Oh man, it's gonna be twice the movie you've ever seen!" But in reality you, then end user, is receiving half the content.
The second terrible fact is that surviving as a start up film company is next to impossible these days. Who are the only ones to come up and have been able to sustain in the past 5 years? Stept and Sherpas are all that I can think of. And look at all of the side work they have to do to stay afloat. Martini takes on tons of projects like that Network A shit and editing Ingrid's X Games edit, and Sherpas did that giant IMAX project for the Canadian Tourism board. Now look how many companies we've lost in that time. Toy Soldier, Rage and Dendrite are three incredibly talented players just off the top of my head. Where is the incentive to invest in going from filming your friends to taking the next step and trying to become a production company? It's great when you're a young adult without serious bills, but once you break that threshold you need to make a living out of it the support for start ups just isn't there.
It doesn't have to be like this. The industry as a whole will hopefully see after Sochi that we have been focusing on the wrong thing. They will see that we need to make an investment in the future of freeskiing, back into the people that become legends like Shane and Schmidt. Hopefully they'll see that the allure of showing someone dodging gangs and crackheads in Detroit or camping for a week on a glacier and earning every turn every day is FAR greater than watching someone take a 1 minute long slopestyle run. If Tom wins the Olympics that will be fucking awesome, and he will go down in the history books, but I guarantee you I will think about that fucking GIANT dub ten he did in the Rutherford waaaaay before I think about the dub ten that he's going to stomp in his slopestyle run in Russia.
I'm fucking sickened by the obsession surrounding the Olympics and how it is straight up fucking a lot of people that frankly deserve better. And before any of you idiots go off about me being jealous because I have to work and they don't, cram that shit right up your ass. Ask anyone that's ever filmed with me or has been around me, I don't complain about coming to work. In fact taking a break from skiing is healthy for me, it keeps skiing solidified as my escape from the real world and my love for it strong. Plus, I don't need the money from sponsors, I'm completely comfortable. But there are tons of people who do. And not only do they need it, they fucking deserve it and aren't getting it. That's why I've been such a salty ass hole. I still think Margetts copped out, I still think Walter Wood is a glorified gymnast, and I still think that the Tucker Perkins hair commercial is fucking disgusting. But I probably wouldn't have been so vocal about it if I wasn't boiling over with disdain for the Olympics.
tl;dr: fuck you, read it.
Bra intervju med Anthony Boronowski
"With freeskiing on the verge of Olympic inclusion and another collision with FIS, SBC SKIER sits down with Anthony Boronowski to chat about the ramifications, and why no one else is talking about it.
We want to talk about the Olympics. I know you have a few things to say, so why don't you start?
I feel like the people who are motivated to get [halfpipe] skiing into the Olympics have ulterior motives. I feel like those motives generally boil down to money, and there's been little discussion about why [halfpipe] skiing shouldn't be in the Olympics.
I know firsthand there are skiers who don't back it. It's a non-vocal minority, and it's people who have been around since the beginning. That's an important thing to consider. You have a lot of people who aren't saying shit, who share the same feelings I do. Which is a sense of caution, because right now the only story you get is a one-sided, "Let's hope skiing gets in the Olympics".
The reason you have these experienced people who aren't allowed to say what they think is because they're employed by companies who have the potential to make a lot of money off of this situation and I'm saying potential on purpose because it's not a guarantee. These guys can't say shit, and yet they're the ones with the knowledge and experience within skiing to know it's a dangerous call. You have a great group of experienced people who are in a position of compromise because they can't say what they think.
Precisely what do they think?
They think that it's dangerous. They think there's a reason we broke away from FIS. There's a reason freeskiing started and that's because FIS sucks. There's a reason you had the brightest stars of freestyle skiing quit and start their own thing without [FIS] rules. But moguls was in such a sad state of affairs, and it was miserable because of FIS. You couldn't even do a Backflip, because you weren't allowed. Because it sucked. Do you think they wanted to quit? Do you think they wanted to not go to the Olympics? Not get funding from a government? Not have all these great opportunities?
People are concerned because they've been there. They should not be ignored because they're wise. There needs to be a dialogue of temperament with the gung-ho-over-the-top push that we're in right now.
The fact that there are certain important voices within freeskiing absent from the debate is a warning sign.
Undoubtedly. I think it's sad that debate isn't encouraged. When snowboarding was going to go in the Olympics, Terje wouldn't go for Norway, and there was a dialogue about why snowboarding shouldn't go.
Because he was the most important figure in the sport at the time, and he flat out rejected it.
But he had the power to begin a dialogue. I think that skiing needs to have a dialogue with both sides of the story. [Remember,] we were in a position where skiing was totally stifled, it sucked, it was boring, it was miserable. Why do we need to go back to that?
Money is the only reason?
It has to be money. What's your argument? It's progression? No, because halfpipe skiing is going through the roof, slopestyle skiing is going through the roof, everything is going crazy. You've seen guys do back-to-back Double Corks in the pipe, amazing stuff, three Double Corks in one run from Kevin Rolland. Progression is not the issue. I don't think people look at what FIS' involvement in our skiing is going to mean.
Will their involvement negatively affect the evolution of freeskiing because our best and brightest will be coming up skiing to please judges?
I think that's an important part of the debate. Will FIS change? The way they approach mogul skiing is not the way you can approach freeskiing. Case in point, you have mogul skiers who don't even try to grab, because if you miss, your deduction is so high you're better to do a fucking Iron Cross, super ugly, and never try to grab. You see what I'm getting at? There has to be change in FIS that's reflective of our sport in order for things to be right.
But the FIS judging and the stifling of progression is only a small part of the discussion. I believe that if FIS works hard and they consult with the right people they could potentially do it right. They've done it with snowboarding. You had the right winner at the Olympics this year. There were judging errors in certain areas, but in general, those men and women just snowboard as well as they can and trust that the judging is going to work out-and I think that's great.
If they can get it right for skiing, that's perfect. But if they can't, then it's fucked and we're back to the mogul days. Which is a pretty big risk I'm not even sure skiing has acknowledged it's taking.
Don't you think some of the push from young people to have freeskiing represented in the Olympics is because they want skiing as a whole represented more accurately? When I was watching the reallocation of money in certain areas, with the most favoured Olympics I could barely stand the mogul events.
That's fair enough. When I watch moguls I lose my shit.
None of the world's best skiers ski moguls, they all freeski.
Just theoretically, imagine freeskiing never happened. Imagine what the mogul final would have been like in Vancouver. Could you imagine all the male freeskiing talents we have right now competing in moguls? The finals would have been berserk.
Do you think freeskiing needs its own governing body?
I think it has to be. That's why snowboarding worked, because they have the USSR. They totally did it their own way, and I think without that there's a larger chance of failure. Skiing needs to seriously consider getting involved with FIS, and the alternatives.
I feel the reason we never created a governing body is because it's only been 10 years that this has been going on, and guys had such a bad taste in their mouth from FIS. Why would you want to create a governing body? The whole reason this is happening is because we don't want rules. It's about being free.
The real merit and beauty of freeskiing is that it's always been people successfully following their hearts. They pioneered all these tricks, and did them because they were cool and had never been done before. They were no longer skiing for judges, and look at what they were able to do.
My concern is that the focus is going to be so direct and so strong on halfpipe skiing-and only halfpipe skiing. It's going to inherently limit the ability for creative people to do creative things and live a lifestyle that allows them to go skiing and get exposure.
The richest skiers will be the ones in the Olympics getting richer.
And the poorer skiers will be even poorer. I'm not saying those guys are going to stop skiing, or that there's no future for them if skiing gets into the Olympics, but our industry isn't that big.
I'm not going to deny the scale of exposure that comes with the Olympics. I will never deny that, but skiing needs to be careful, and contemplate what this choice will mean. Yes, you will have progression and creative expression within pipe skiing, granted FIS figures it out, but you're going to have a gnarly focus on pipe.
We have all this other stuff that's really special within skiing, and by granting halfpipe a position in the Olympics, you're really narrowing the support structure for any skier who is not competing in that arena.
If halfpipe skiing gets into the Olympics, I assume most companies will do whatever they can to have a rider in the competition because that is the ultimate exposure. Olympic athletes are going to command way more money, their salary might eclipse that of several other non-halfpipe riders.
And not even just riders, think about it on a broader scale. You have a brand that is speculating on a rider who could make it into the Olympics, and they're going to give all that money to that kid. That's great for that kid, fair enough. I'm not hating, take advantage of your opportunity. But what about the film companies? What about the ski magazines? What about the kids who deserve to make a living skiing?
You think if you have a brand paying a ton of money to a very select few, they're going to have any money left over to do anything else? It's happened in snowboarding and I've seen it firsthand. You have brands paying riders a lot of fucking money to come 11th in the Olympics. Who came 11th in the Olympics?
I have no idea and I watched the finals.
Do you think having halfpipe skiing in the Olympics ultimately sells more skis? Does it bring more people to skiing?
Do you think Burton sells more boards because Shaun White won a gold medal?
Burton likely sells more snowboards, but are there more total snowboards sold by all the brands, including Burton? I don't think so. I think Burton just takes a bigger piece of the pie, because I haven't seen any indication of that pie growing in skiing or snowboarding.
Exactly. I think you're going to see a reallocation of money in certain areas, with the most favoured riders getting short-term non-endemic deals, just like in snowboarding. With the discussion about growing skiing, the question I would have for you is: Do people want to skicross because skicross was in the Olympics?
No. And the more cynical would call skicross a failed sport for failed racers.
Right, then why is there this massive push within skiing to get halfpipe into the Olympics? Because really all that's going to change is the focus within our own community.
We're doing a pretty damn good job right now. It's awesome. There's support for guys who want to do cool little things like Traveling Circus and CASG, for guys who want to go on the big mountain tour, guys who want to film a movie part, and for guys who want to compete. There's small companies, there's big companies...
It will negatively affect the diversity of our support.
Ultimately that's my fear. Whether it's in the type of riding, or trick selection because of judging, or in skier support because of money and speculation. That is what I think we have the potential to lose. That's my biggest thing. Why do we need this push so bad? What is the ultimate goal?
Which is what you were getting at initially when we were talking about who is motivated by the goal of getting into the Olympics.
Everyone directly correlates Olympics with growth, but mofos, you're on NBC three times a year with the Dew Tour, you're on ABC, ESPN and EXPN, there's tons of exposure. I worry you're going to limit the diversity of skiing further by creating this artificial hype around the idea of growth when it may not happen at all.
Do you think that once FIS starts regulating halfpipe their reach will extend into other kinds of ski competitions like slope style? Right now, for all the controversy about judging, I feel we have a very competent group of judges, and we are judging ourselves.
I kind of believe in FIS in this regard. They know they fucked it up, and if we're going to do this, we have the power to regulate how it's done. There are enough smart people out there, like Mike Douglas and Josh Loubek, and with the right consultation and management it doesn't have to be negative.
Snowboarding had the most amazing year of progression for their sport in men's halfpipe riding ever. You could never deny that, and that's because of the push for the Olympics. And they managed to figure out a system that encouraged growth and progression without stagnation
You think that if the right people are involved, there's the possibility that FIS will not mismanage it? They might actually be able to do it really well?
My concern is within the industry. What is going to happen to us? FIS is also a major issue, but I'm someone who believes in people and I believe they can do it if the right people are involved.
I don't believe freeskiing is going to grow that fundamentally to augment the weird prospective change we're going to have. People who say, "I want to see my sport grow," I would say to them: How? Where? Why? It's going to grow because it was on TV for one hour of one day and you've got three guys who got multi-million dollar endorsement deals?
Let's say skiing had made it into the Olympics in Vancouver. Would someone like Tom Wallisch, who is undoubtedly a phenomenal talent, have devoted his time to being what Tom Wallisch is today, or would he have spent more time trying to be a well judged halfpipe skier?
Put it like this. What do you think Sean Pettit would do? Do you think we would have Sean Pettit as a bigmountain skier? Because undeniably Sean has a God-given talent, although I don't really believe in talent, but he has the ability and the opportunity to become one of the best skiers ever. Ask yourself, would Sean be skiing the [game-changing] way he is now?
Quite possibly not. Remember how good he was at halfpipe?
And that's fucking sad to me. Look at how good he was at halfpipe. Don't you think he would have kept doing that? And what if we didn't have Sean?"
Satan vilka haranger, och jag som tycker att jag kan få till det ibland
Väntar med spänning på att folk börjar Citera dessa!
Kan det vara slutet för OS-tråden, samt vad tycker Freeride-ledningen
egentligen om att man upptar så mycket server-utrymme i förhållande
till vad som egentligen sägs?
http://www.svt.se/sport/mot-doldisen-so … pa-os-guld
Fungerar viaplay över hela världen?
SVT steppar upp med ett riktigt bra reportage som har HH i huvudrollen. Sänds nu. Närsom på SVT-Play.
http://www.svt.se/sport/mot-henrik-harl … oppet-i-os
Liten bump här (och en total riktningsförändring gentemot ovanstående debatt om film vs tävlingsåkare).
HM är fortfarande tråkpåsar som inte vill säga när vi får se slopestyle/snowoardkläderna, men "fritidskläderna" har iallafall dykt upp. Så, frågan nu är:
Hur känner vi egentligen inför HH och gänget iklädda bland annat gulblått ormskinnsmönster? Ja? Nej? Kanske?
Nu är det inte långt kvar hörreni!
Det ser inte direkt lovande ut inför OS-starten i morgon...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wor … tid=pm_pop
Jag är chockad att Ryssland är korrupt, girigt, empatilöst och ineffektivt. Vad trodde IOK att dom skulle få?
Jag hörde precis på en OS-sändning att medaljhoppet Jesper Tjäder får det lite lättare i tävlingen, då en av de största konkurenterna, Shaun White har hoppat av slopestyle.
Sitter här och undrar om jag är berusad eller inte.
Jag tänkte på en grej nu i taxin...
I videon jeppe gjorde innan dom åkte iväg till sochi, så fick ju tjäder goggles utan loggor... Detta för att rule40 inte ska brytas, men om nu det olympiska spelet inte ska vara för proffs så tänkte jag då på... hur fan ska man som "amatör" få tag på logofria prylar för att kunna få vara med?
Tänker hundtricket, fast använda kändis-jeppe att ragga med istället. "Ah, fan, han e känd från tv! Läget då?"
Började ju bra med en stor domar skandal...
IOC har tydligen bannat Sarah-stickers.
Jag missade själva sändningen av snowboardslopen, har bara sett på highligts. Kan nån förklara varför många hävdar att Sven borde blivit trea?
Förresten en sjukt bra insats av Sven! Och tycker inte trea/fyra spelar nån större roll efenteligen, men hade varit najs att bli lite mer insatt i bedömningen!
Ska jag tolka detta som att Northugg har slutat dopa sig?
Någon mer som stör sig på att åkare / kommentatorer kallar trippel cork 1440 för 4 snurrar och 3 volter?
4 snurrar och 3 volter = trippel cork 2520...
Så där då har de hårda killarna kört klart. Puckelåkarna är fan hardcore!!!
Befattar mig inte med Gladiatorerna på is. Ska man hålla på med sport på is gäller Bandy.
Är det bara hårda sporter som är med i OS? ÄR alla sporter som inte är med i OS ohårda?