RaxSki from Austria, the most controversial ski

[Nojlas]

Glisseur: Klockrent :D

Some French skiers wanted me to fix our Rax fins on 2.5m long jump skis (!).
Shall I ?

Sure, go ahead. Do it! Can't wait to see it. :D

1) Our topsheet shows the famous Japanese Great Wave off Kanagawa. They call it "tsunami".

I'm pretty sure everyone in Sweden knows about that word since 2004. Might be a bad idea to use that word while selling a product... Just a little tip for you!

 

[Nojlas]

Tom: What about backcountryjibbing and stomping cliffs fakie? How's that working with a pair of Rax?

 

[Ekan66]

Ha ha! Med tanke på hur många som åker på blades i alperna så blir det säkert en storsäljare...

 

[RandoScando]

Well, I am Mag of physics (University of Brno)

Oh, good! Then you're working as a problem solver! I'm just curious, what's the problem you're trying to solve with these things?

 

[Carled]

Okay..... Where to start...



So there not the same freaking tsunami wave breaking over a mountain (Fuji)?!?!? And don't say that your japanse letters make a big difference...

OK, the people who try them think the work great for skiing horrible conditions, but they openly say that their regular skis are way better and that they would never stop skiing on them. Who wants to buy a ski for the days you don\'t want to go ski? Hmm... "Its raining pure ice outside, I'll stay inside and play board games..." or "Its raining pure ice outside, I'll go buy a pair of Rax and ski even though it's horrible conditions"

And you didn't answer my questions about breaking/stopping with huge fins sticking down and the risk of knee injuries when skiing in the backseat (bad technique) and allowing people to ski with the wrong technique...

Btw, aren't you afraid of being sued when people go way to fast (30-35km/h) on the Rax, loose control and break every joint and bone in their body?

 

[TomFromAustria2011]

1)...And don\\\'t say that your japanse letters make a big difference...
2) OK, the people who try them think the work great for skiing horrible conditions, but they openly say that their regular skis are way better ....
3)Who wants to buy a ski for the days you don\\\\\\\'t want to go ski? Hmm.....

4)...my questions about breaking/stopping with huge fins sticking down...
5) and the risk of knee injuries when skiing in the backseat (bad technique) ...
6) allowing people to ski with the wrong technique...

7) Btw, aren\\\'t you afraid of being sued when people go way to fast (30-35km/h) on the Rax, loose control and break every joint and bone in their body?

1) Well, there is an original Japanese painting on our top sheet. On the other side, Praxis has re-painted this scene completely.

2)Our American testers are not saying \\\"that their regular skis are way better\\\". Read that report more carefully, Carled.

3) I think that freeriding is an outdoor sport which is not limited to nice weather, comfortable slopes and ideal powder. And for this freeriding the RaxSki is a very appealing gear. Maybe the best gear ever.

4) Do not be afraid, Carled! Our \\\"huge\\\" fins are just 3cm high, there is no danger of unpredictable stops or even \\\"hooks\\\". They will run over submerged stones and roots without significant brake-effect.

5) The most knie injuries in last 2 years were caused by radically shaped carving edges. This is the state-of-the-art ski today. Our 1,000+ testers have reported just 3 injuries, no knie has been hurt.

6) Was not the snowboarding called the\\\"wrong technique\\\" 20 years ago?

7) Is \\\"30-35km/h\\\" really too fast ?
Carle, believe me. In an extreme terrain the Rax skier is the last one who loses control! He got magic fins under his heels to save him in nearly every critical situation.
But, Carle, you must first try RaxSki to be able to talk about

 

[Tompan14]

I'm just wondering why you feel the need to tilt the photos...

 

[TomFromAustria2011]

Tom: What about backcountryjibbing and stomping cliffs fakie? How's that working with a pair of Rax?

Fakie? Skiing backwards ?
The RaxSki is a one-direction vehicle like a car, an airplane, a surfboard etc.

Ski acrobats demonstrated going fakie on RaxSki
aeP1mbYAIRY]Your[/MEDIA] text to link here...
but that's not everybody darling.

 

[Tompan14]

Almost anyone can ski backwards on a pair of normal skis, just as most people know how to put their car in 'reverse'

 

[JL76]

The RaxSki is a one-direction vehicle like a car, an airplane, a surfboard etc.

?
all of those can go in reverse?
ok, maybe not the car i used to have with broken gearbox, but cars in general...

 

[Emil-T]

Tom: What about backcountryjibbing and stomping cliffs fakie? How's that working with a pair of Rax?

Fakie? Skiing backwards ?
The RaxSki is a one-direction vehicle like a car, an airplane, a surfboard etc.

Ski acrobats demonstrated going fakie on RaxSki
aeP1mbYAIRY]Your[/MEDIA] text to link here...
but that's not everybody darling.

Last I checked I could reverse with my car

 

[TomFromAustria2011]

I\'m just wondering why you feel the need to tilt the photos...

Explain me what you mean by \"tilting\". This pic was taken from the opposite hill and such camera position makes everything steeper. The terrain on the pic was a typical avalanche slope around 50° yet not long enough to be really dangerous.

This one WAS really dangerous.

 

[TomFromAustria2011]

...

Last I checked I could reverse with my car

I believe you that, Emil.
I guess you were not faster than 100km/hr then.

 

[RandoScando]

I'll do a re-post in order to get an answer. What's the problem you're trying to solve?

 

[TomFromAustria2011]

The RaxSki is a one-direction vehicle like a car, an airplane, a surfboard etc.

?
all of those can go in reverse?
ok, maybe not the car i used to have with broken gearbox, but cars in general...

You are right, some pilots can fly their airplane backwards -at least hundred meters-
but they do that without any passengers.

Unlike snowboards and twin-tips cars are not really symetric, are they ?

 

[Nojlas]

Tom: What about backcountryjibbing and stomping cliffs fakie? How\\\\\\\'s that working with a pair of Rax?

Fakie? Skiing backwards ?
The RaxSki is a one-direction vehicle like a car, an airplane, a surfboard etc.

Ski acrobats demonstrated going fakie on RaxSki
aeP1mbYAIRY]Your[/MEDIA] text to link here...
but that\\\\\\\'s not everybody darling.

Cars can reverse:

...and so even aeroplanes...

...and surfers...

...but these can't?

(Sorry, just had to... But I'm getting your point!)

 

[Nojlas]

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Last I checked I could reverse with my car

I believe you that, Emil.
I guess you were not faster than 100km/hr then.

Yeah, thats my next question. How's a pair of Rax behaving in high speeds? (roughly 80-120km/h)
I'm using a fat 200cm ski as my primary big mountain weapon, with awesome high speed stability. Could a pair or Rax compare to a ski in that size?

 

[TomFromAustria2011]

Well, I am Mag of physics (University of Brno)

Oh, good! Then you're working as a problem solver! I'm just curious, what's the problem you're trying to solve with these things?

The RaxSki is the first ski in the whole history having all control elements BEHIND the ski boots. This feature makes the ski very safe. The "Firngleiter" was trying the same with very primitive means.

In contrary, the "carver" is controlled mainly by shaped edges at its wide tips. The human knee ligaments were not "designed" for such a stress.

 

[TomFromAustria2011]

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Yeah, thats my next question. How's a pair of Rax behaving in high speeds? (roughly 80-120km/h)
I'm using a fat 200cm ski as my primary big mountain weapon, with awesome high speed stability. Could a pair or Rax compare to a ski in that size?

Unless you activate the rear fins, the RaxSki behaves like any snowblade. That means very bad.
Then you angulate (=put on edge) the RaxSki or you lift its tips and you immediately feel that fins are cutting.

Active rear fins stabilize you better than a 2m ski. The higher your speed the better this stabilization works.
That's physics.

 

[Carled]

Think about how the body reacts to danger and similar situations... Think cave man/war behavior. The natural behavior when you are scared is to squat down. When you do this on skis, you get better control, balance and strength. The Rax ski simulates a kind of fleeing that has no physical benefits at all!

Please explai your thoughts on this! And I consider your last answers to my questions to be very poor and inaqurate! Answer the direct question instead of drifting away...

 

[RandoScando]

The RaxSki is the first ski in the whole history having all control elements BEHIND the ski boots. This feature makes the ski very safe. The "Firngleiter" was trying the same with very primitive means.

In contrary, the "carver" is controlled mainly by shaped edges at its wide tips. The human knee ligaments were not "designed" for such a stress.

Could you explain this a bit more, to me (as a biomedical physicist) it seems that the rax ski would apply a greater torque to your knee, thus damaging the ligaments and joints more than an ordinary ski.

This because of the fact that you do not have a solid track or circle that your ski naturally fits in to when having a force pressing straight own on the ski (as in the case of the a carve ski in piste), or having a ski that you operate with "center ski weight" (as in off-piste skiing) and thus only being able to applying a downwards force to the center of the ski. Instead you have constructed a ski that, while turning, relies on fins that are placed behind your bodies pivoting axle, thus introducing a torque that will transfer direclty into your knees. How can this possibly be good for the knee ligaments?

 

[TomFromAustria2011]

Think about how the body reacts to danger and similar situations... The natural behavior when you are scared is to squat down. When you do this on skis, you get better control, balance and strength. The Rax ski simulates a kind of fleeing that has no physical benefits at all!
...

I know nothing about "fleeing" with RaxSki in a dangerous situation!
The typical reaction of a Rax rider is to squat down and lean back.

 

[Guiseppi_Suffermountain]

Give Tom a break, he is probably one of the most talented extreme carvers I have seen and his lines and skiing technique would be extra hyper-super cool in any MSP-movie. He is also way smarter then any of you jibbers hanging around here, his answers is always logical and really follows the law of physics. And the design is really unique and actually looks nothing like I´ve seen before.

Tom: I would really like to be the first swedish distributor and I think this could be the ultimate ski for our crappy swedish conditions. Where can I buy them? Do you have any thoughts about starting up a Rax-clothing line as well?

 

[TomFromAustria2011]

The RaxSki is the first ski in the whole history having all control elements BEHIND the ski boots. This feature makes the ski very safe. The "Firngleiter" was trying the same with very primitive means.

In contrary, the "carver" is controlled mainly by shaped edges at its wide tips. The human knee ligaments were not "designed" for such a stress.

Could you explain this a bit more, to me (as a biomedical physicist) it seems that
1 )the rax ski would apply a greater torque to your knee, thus damaging the ligaments and joints more than an ordinary ski.

2) ... you do not have a solid track or circle that your ski naturally fits in

1) Short RaxSki can never produce higher torque than a 1,70 ski. The distance between a wide tip and the ski boot is approx. 1 meter at the regular carver. The distance between the boot and the central fin is about 8cm.

2) It is a pure wishful-thinking that "carver" is running on its edge along a circle. Mostly you are skidding aside
more or less. The so called "carving circle" is not a rail! Each very small sector of the edge is acting independently and contributing to the resulting torque. On a bumpy slope, this torque can change so rapidly
to skew one of your skis and tear your knee ligaments. I am talking about best skiers of the world who suffered this ligament rupture without falling down.

 

[nilshannes2]

We are all enjoying ourselves reading this thread(and your others) Tom but I will give you an honest wellmeant piece of advice.

We on this forum, and in most cases TGR as well is most likely not the consumer group worth focusing on for you. You might be correct about the future of your ski, it could be the next thing, I find that very hard to believe but its still possible for all I know.
The ones i suggest you focus on would be the amateur segment of the market, I find it very much more likely that you'll succeed there than here. For now atleast.

Looking at your product, I think it looks rather cheap. Tyrolia 100 as many have pointed out before just as an example. If you were to have a major success among us, one of the things(among many sadly) would be to create an image of quality.

good luck

 

[rabbit]

Give Tom a break, he is probably one of the most talented extreme carvers I have seen and his lines and skiing technique would be extra hyper-super cool in any MSP-movie. He is also way smarter then any of you jibbers hanging around here, his answers is always logical and really follows the law of physics. And the design is really unique and actually looks nothing like I´ve seen before.

Tom: I would really like to be the first swedish distributor and I think this could be the ultimate ski for our crappy swedish conditions. Where can I buy them? Do you have any thoughts about starting up a Rax-clothing line as well?

ROFL!

 

[The_teo]

How did it go over at TGR?....

 

[Lee-nus]

a caveman would have built better skis!

do you realize you are also compromising other people's health by convincing them your skis can ski for crap, and that they're stable in velocities amounting to 100 km/h? give me a break. i can't make up my mind as to whether this is freaking me out, pissing me off or simply amusing me. you'd have to be a cro magnon to believe in this ski.

 

[Dustbin_Dan]

Förmodligen så håller Tom på med en uppsats i ämnet "Hur man retar upp "experter" på forum genom att försöka hypa en produkt som anses för mindre avancerade användare än vad forummedlemmarna själva anser sig vara".

 

[RandoScando]

1) Short RaxSki can never produce higher torque than a 1,70 ski. The distance between a wide tip and the ski boot is approx. 1 meter at the regular carver. The distance between the boot and the central fin is about 8cm.

2) It is a pure wishful-thinking that "carver" is running on its edge along a circle. Mostly you are skidding aside
more or less. The so called "carving circle" is not a rail! Each very small sector of the edge is acting independently and contributing to the resulting torque. On a bumpy slope, this torque can change so rapidly
to skew one of your skis and tear your knee ligaments. I am talking about best skiers of the world who suffered this ligament rupture without falling down.

I call B.S. on this one. Since an ordinary ski does not have any pivoting arm, whether it is used as an ideal carving ski (which very many experienced skiers actually do) or if you use it with a less 'ideal' skid technique. You simply have no toreque in the knee unless you take a fall or use some really louse technique with ordinary skis. And if you claim that you do, then you'd better add a reference, because I simply don't believe that.

 

[Benner]

OJOJOJOJ! Detta va riktigt rolig morgonläsning.

 

[Ace_DG]

...beundrar bara den klockrena flytande åktekniken som laggen tycks locka fram hos åkarna. Harmoni är ett annat ord som osökt kommer upp i sammanhanget. Imponerande!
mja...?

Näe...
/A

 

[ulno7633]

I have a question. Can you get them with telemark bindings and skins?

 

[Benner]

Fantastiskt roligt! :lol::lol::lol:

 

[AdamClaeson]

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1) The different topsheet? What is the big difference compared to a pair of Praxis Powderboards ...?
http://praxisskis.com/shop/componen...sized/Powder_Boards_4c15b552714b7_400x400.png

2)...It´s obvious everybody thinks it's a bad concept/ski! ... you don't seem to be the raddest of skiers...ncredibly dangerous for knees and ligaments to make a quick and short stop with your skis ..?

Yeah, Carled!
1) Our topsheet shows the famous Japanese Great Wave off Kanagawa. They call it "tsunami".
Praxis' topsheet has nothing to do with water, see, wave, Fuji, crashing boats etc
2) It is just your personal meaning. More than 1,000 skiers all over the world have tried RaxSki yet. 95% of responses were positive or very positive. Like these Americans on the East CoastRaxSki on extreme ice
or this Britton RaxSki on slushy snow

And in 1000 people would be a great study pertaining to skiing? How many skiers are there to believe?

In Sweden, probably a third of the population skis. That means about 3 million skiers.

And this is "only" in Sweden. Compared with this, feels a study of 1,000 riders rather trifling ...

Wont you say?

 

[AdamClaeson]

Just for TomFromAustria2.

...beundrar bara den klockrena flytande åktekniken som laggen tycks locka fram hos åkarna. Harmoni är ett annat ord som osökt kommer upp i sammanhanget. Imponerande!
mja...?

Näe...
/A

Translation:
... just admiring the floating technique as the skis seem to bring out of the athletes. Harmony is another word that comes unsought in context. Impressive!
hmmm ...?

Nah ...
/ A

What to say about this?



@ Ace_DG - haha klockrent...

 

[AdamClaeson]

:p

 

[TomFromAustria2011]

I have a question. Can you get them with telemark bindings and skins?

Yes, of course. Just tell us parameters of your tele-binding and we will mark best positions for drilling.
The selection and the adaptation of skins is your problem.
On our website/shop www.raxski.com you can see the model Skater with another free-heel binding ("Tourenbindung")

 

[TomFromAustria2011]

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In Sweden, probably a third of the population skis. That means about 3 million skiers.

And this is "only" in Sweden. Compared with this, feels a study of 1,000 riders rather trifling ...

Wont you say?

I will say following: The snowboard once started with 10 riders.

 

[PNyberg]

Wait...all riding is done in the backseat?? Oh-oooh....that doesnt seem safe at all to me!