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Så sant, Fler borde höja rösten mot FIS.
CookieMonster
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väldigt sant! eDoggo och hyllengren har ju faktiskt med just "FIS sucks" på en av hoodsen i årets kollektion, så det är då inte bara terje som höjer rösten! 
jet
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Är inte bara Terje som höjer rösten:
http://www.tedligety.com/
http://www.tedligety.com/
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Även en mediapersonlighet hänger på
http://www.jon-olsson.com/?p=5574
http://www.jon-olsson.com/?p=5574
Jarle
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Ge det ett par år så kommer säkerligen skidåkarna känna samma sak inom freestyle. Det är fantastiskt att de verkar göra sitt bästa för att skapa något bra nu men jag tror att det på sikt blir på deras villkor och inte åkarnas.
FIS har ju en gedigen bakgrund av att vara duktiga på att göra atleter upprörda, jag förstår inte varför så många parkåkare är så lyriska över att hamna under FIS vingar, av alla skäl som åkare tidigare och nu har/haft.
Vad händer när något tråkigt inträffar och någon skadar sig allvarligt i en slopestyle/pipe-tävling? Ska särskilda trick förbjudas? Ska skidorna få regulationer? Ska föremålen i tävlingsbacken få restriktioner? FIS har ju dömt ut trick i andra grenar för att de har vart för farliga...
FIS verkar göra sitt bästa för att hindra utvecklingen av alla utförsåknings-sporter. Härligt att de också tar bort atleternas yttrandefrihet, själv får jag lite Kim Jong - vibbar, fast utan fräna solglasögon.
Tråkigt att de nu lyckats förstöra alpint för både åkarna och tittarna...
EDIT
Hittade en video på någon som kör GS med de nya skidorna
//Nu officiell FIS-suger tråd?
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For er som inte orkar gå in på lenken till Ted Ligety:
Tyranny of FIS
FIS's tyranny has gone on long enough. It seems FIS is going out of their way to ruin the sport. FIS runs a dictatorship. They demand absolute control then try to butter their will in a fake cloak of benevolence. Athletes, SRS (Association of Ski Racing Suppliers and NGBs (national governing bodies) are completely impotent in their ability to create positive change in our sport or to stand against rules FIS imposes.
I feel like I might be beating a dead horse on this subject but it is paramount for the future on ski racing. The new rules imposed on ski regulations can't go through in their current state. They will eventually ruin this sport. As most people already know FIS is imposing new ski regulations that turn back the clock on the evolution of this sport. Giant Slalom has been unfairly targeted. Current rules are >27 meters radius (more sidecut) and minimum length of 185cm, new rules will be >35 meters radius (straight skis from 80's) and minimum of 195cm. (I currently race on 29-meter radius, 191cm in length skis.) FIS has put together a study that has recorded injuries from 2006-2011. A time frame for which did not allow for any correlations to build between injuries and eras in equipment. We'd need the same info dating back to the early 80's to see any injury to equipment correlations, not the last 5 years. In FIS'S study they say 36 skiers were “severely" (out for 28 days or longer) injured in downhill, 9 in Super G, 16 in GS and 11 in slalom. They didn't not take into account that GS is the most skied event, everyone from downhillers to slalom skiers train GS. There are probably 200 GS runs skied for a single downhill run skied and in races there are 2 runs in GS as opposed to one in downhill. Without even doing math it is obvious that the injuries per run in GS are far less then downhill. This begs the obvious question that goes unanswered; why was GS targeted?
On the World Cup it is pretty rare when the vast majority of the athletes agree on anything. The ski regulations, particularly in GS have brought together the athletes like never before 41 out of the top 50 men signed a petition against the rules and in Soelden 15 of the top 20 men in GS (Austrians didn't come) met to discuss the rules. (It should be noted that only 2 racers have advocated for the rules; Hannes Reichelt and Benjamin Raich along with one Ski Company Amer Sports or also known as Atomic and Salomon.) In which we all opposed the imposed ski regulations and agreed that the ultimate goal was to eliminate FIS from equipment regulation. As athletes we have the greatest incentive to be safe and healthy. We all know how short our careers can be and very few of us are compensated for the risks we take. Therefore, we currently and in the future choose equipment that not only allows us the ability to be fast but to make it to the finish line safely. I have on many occasions chosen skis that were slower but had better control instead of faster and uncontrollable skis. The equipment companies are highly incentivized to keep their athletes healthy as well. They have far more invested in us then FIS and NGBs so they want to protect us as their asset. FIS has shown that they don't value athletes, as seen in this instance in their complete disregard for our input. FIS's study was based around 2 on snow sessions with several Europa Cup skiers. Suffice to say that is not nearly enough data to come up with such dramatic conclusions. With just those two tests and with no input from athletes or coaches they pushed the rule though so that there was no opportunity to debate the proposals. The athletes, SRS and the coaches protested and have since proposed a World Cup test where the top 15 athletes would test the new equipment on a World Cup slope but FIS denied this opportunity to evaluation their hypothesis. Proof that FIS has little confidence that their research will hold up under further testing. FIS's only goal it seems is to look like they are being proactive safety wise though they won't bare the brunt of the consequences when they don't work. By making these rules they can say they tried and that may somehow elevate them of any liability.
FIS has already shown their incompetence in coming up with safer rules in the past. In 2007 they made a rule that made the skis wider which made the skis more aggressive which may have led to injuries by extending the lever arm thus putting more force on the knee. The new rules will make the sport more not less dangerous. Not only did FIS's study say that there was no statistical difference in force between current skis and new skis but they didn't measure the torque that will be needed to twist the ski around in a clean manner. Thus creating a larger force on one's knee. The law of unintended consequences will kick in and most likely create more injuries. The latest generation of World Cup racers has never skied on straight skis so these new skis will be completely foreign (less controllable), making them/us get into awkward body positions and ski in a “jumpy" manner so that we can create enough force to turn them. We will also take a straighter line in which we will slide the top of the turn then hit the edge hard, creating a higher peak force (mostly centered around the bottom of the turn where force is highest already), while leaning back to get the radius needed, since the sidecut in the tip will not allow the ski to turn in a forward/centered body position. Outside of the injuries this type of skiing will create by creating a higher sheering force on the knee (commonly associated with ACL tears), it will also cause greater fatigue, which is one of the leading injury causes. The ski industry has produced many studies tracking millions of skier visits over the last 30+ years in which they have found the advent of sidecut has juristically reduced injuries (mainly to the knee). I'm more inclined to believe a study that has tracked millions of skiers over 30+ years then a study in which testing was concluded in 2 days with less then 10 athletes. Injuries happen when the athletes are taken out of their comfort zone and we will not be in our comfort zone with these skis.
So how will this ruin the sport? The new skis will make skiing at the World Cup level less enjoyable to watch and perhaps more importantly far less enjoyable to participate in while making it more dangerous. Arcing clean turns is a joy everyone racing now days can enjoy. That feeling will be gone. First World Cup athletes will suffer this fate then in a couple years when the rules become FIS wide 15 year old kids will have to turn in their “old" carving skis for long straight skis. This will give the big kids an even bigger advantage and will drive kids out of ski racing; into freesking or the copious amount of other sports kids have available to them. Another way it will ruin the sport is the economically side. Ski racing is to ski technology as Formula 1 is to car technology. This new rule will take that away from ski racing since anyone will be able to buy better skis in a store then we race on. Why would ski companies stay in racing if it were no longer driving technology and sales? Ski companies are the main financial supporters of this sport; the athletes make the majority of their income for their ski companies and the amount equipment built for World Cup skiers is astronomical. If the athletes are no longer driving R&D and sales, the companies will eventually pull their support. Most athletes struggle to make a living at this sport already and without the support of the ski companies most won't be able to afford to continue racing. And there goes the sport of ski racing.
FIS's tyranny doesn't just cover ski regulations but all sponsorships too, from the size of your headgear sponsor to the speed suit to the logo on your goggles. I am particularly concerned about the goggle logo issue for the obvious reason that I own a goggle/helmet company; Shred. FIS has long had a rule that the logo on the goggle strap could not be larger than 15 square centimeters. The rule has been ignored for just as long as it's been around and for good reason, you can't read a 15 square cm logo on someone travelling at speed and it was never enforced. This fall, out of the blue FIS decided they were going to enforce this rule, for seemingly no reason. Enforcement now is apparently, first a warning followed by not being allowed to start the race on the second offense. Most logos currently are 40-50 square centimeters. There is no point sponsoring a ski racer let alone start a company based around ski racing when one's logo is too small to be noticeable. This hurts small companies like mine the most since it greatly takes away Shred's ability to get valuable impressions to break through. Outside of this rule's enforcement being a bad idea, it was not made known to companies early enough so they could put together the logistics to comply or what will likely happen in the future, decide their marketing budget is better spent else where. Which gets me to the greater point of FIS seemingly trying to drain the pockets of the athletes, since a large portion of athletes' income is derived from helmet/goggle companies. I would think it would be in the sports, therefore FIS's best interest to create value for not only FIS's sponsors but also the sponsors that allow the athletes to compete at a high level.
Not only will FIS not listen to rejections from SRS and NGB's on the ski regulations and logo issues as a show of complete power. It wants to fine athletes for speaking out against FIS. I was threatened several years ago for wearing a “FIS SUCKS" sticker on the back of my helmet. (I was 2 minutes late to a pre bid draw meeting and forced to start 45 while I was leading the standings hence the sticker.) I was told that a similar action would result in a 5000 CHF fine. Most recently word is that FIS is thinking about suing Jon Olsson for his choice comments he made on his blog about the ski regulations and posting “FIS SUCKS" logo on his site. At the most recent FIS meeting they discussed punishments for athletes speaking out against them. I quote an excerpt from that meeting, “The Council agreed to develop a “Code" to deal with cases of improper behavior that fall outside the competence of the competition jury to augment the existing rules, such as blasphemy on social networking sites or bringing the sport into disrepute." Who would have thought that being a ski racer you lose your right to free speech.
One would think there would be some discourse to combat these atrocities but there is not at this point. Apparently Bill Marolt; the President of USSA and Vice President of FIS doesn't even have the ability to bring these subjects up for discussion, let alone reversed or revised. The athletes to this point have had zero representation in the decisions FIS makes. When we hear of FIS's decisions and we disagree we are ignored as shown in Soelden. Faceless committees make these decisions, and once the mandates are passed down their ego doesn't allow them to admit wrong and reverse rules that are so obviously wrong. Unfortunately for alpine ski racing FIS monopolizes the sport so any and all changes will be hard fought or take FIS vastly rethinking their position in how the sport processes or more likely regresses. Perhaps it's time to unionize the athletes or start an alternative tour. (An athlete union is now developing but it remains to be seen how effective it will be.) This should serve as warning for sports like freeride skiing and snowboarding, don't let FIS monopolize your sport. FIS will bleed your sport dry of what has made it so cool.
Ted Ligety
PS Feel free to repost this anywhere and everywhere.
Tyranny of FIS
FIS's tyranny has gone on long enough. It seems FIS is going out of their way to ruin the sport. FIS runs a dictatorship. They demand absolute control then try to butter their will in a fake cloak of benevolence. Athletes, SRS (Association of Ski Racing Suppliers and NGBs (national governing bodies) are completely impotent in their ability to create positive change in our sport or to stand against rules FIS imposes.
I feel like I might be beating a dead horse on this subject but it is paramount for the future on ski racing. The new rules imposed on ski regulations can't go through in their current state. They will eventually ruin this sport. As most people already know FIS is imposing new ski regulations that turn back the clock on the evolution of this sport. Giant Slalom has been unfairly targeted. Current rules are >27 meters radius (more sidecut) and minimum length of 185cm, new rules will be >35 meters radius (straight skis from 80's) and minimum of 195cm. (I currently race on 29-meter radius, 191cm in length skis.) FIS has put together a study that has recorded injuries from 2006-2011. A time frame for which did not allow for any correlations to build between injuries and eras in equipment. We'd need the same info dating back to the early 80's to see any injury to equipment correlations, not the last 5 years. In FIS'S study they say 36 skiers were “severely" (out for 28 days or longer) injured in downhill, 9 in Super G, 16 in GS and 11 in slalom. They didn't not take into account that GS is the most skied event, everyone from downhillers to slalom skiers train GS. There are probably 200 GS runs skied for a single downhill run skied and in races there are 2 runs in GS as opposed to one in downhill. Without even doing math it is obvious that the injuries per run in GS are far less then downhill. This begs the obvious question that goes unanswered; why was GS targeted?
On the World Cup it is pretty rare when the vast majority of the athletes agree on anything. The ski regulations, particularly in GS have brought together the athletes like never before 41 out of the top 50 men signed a petition against the rules and in Soelden 15 of the top 20 men in GS (Austrians didn't come) met to discuss the rules. (It should be noted that only 2 racers have advocated for the rules; Hannes Reichelt and Benjamin Raich along with one Ski Company Amer Sports or also known as Atomic and Salomon.) In which we all opposed the imposed ski regulations and agreed that the ultimate goal was to eliminate FIS from equipment regulation. As athletes we have the greatest incentive to be safe and healthy. We all know how short our careers can be and very few of us are compensated for the risks we take. Therefore, we currently and in the future choose equipment that not only allows us the ability to be fast but to make it to the finish line safely. I have on many occasions chosen skis that were slower but had better control instead of faster and uncontrollable skis. The equipment companies are highly incentivized to keep their athletes healthy as well. They have far more invested in us then FIS and NGBs so they want to protect us as their asset. FIS has shown that they don't value athletes, as seen in this instance in their complete disregard for our input. FIS's study was based around 2 on snow sessions with several Europa Cup skiers. Suffice to say that is not nearly enough data to come up with such dramatic conclusions. With just those two tests and with no input from athletes or coaches they pushed the rule though so that there was no opportunity to debate the proposals. The athletes, SRS and the coaches protested and have since proposed a World Cup test where the top 15 athletes would test the new equipment on a World Cup slope but FIS denied this opportunity to evaluation their hypothesis. Proof that FIS has little confidence that their research will hold up under further testing. FIS's only goal it seems is to look like they are being proactive safety wise though they won't bare the brunt of the consequences when they don't work. By making these rules they can say they tried and that may somehow elevate them of any liability.
FIS has already shown their incompetence in coming up with safer rules in the past. In 2007 they made a rule that made the skis wider which made the skis more aggressive which may have led to injuries by extending the lever arm thus putting more force on the knee. The new rules will make the sport more not less dangerous. Not only did FIS's study say that there was no statistical difference in force between current skis and new skis but they didn't measure the torque that will be needed to twist the ski around in a clean manner. Thus creating a larger force on one's knee. The law of unintended consequences will kick in and most likely create more injuries. The latest generation of World Cup racers has never skied on straight skis so these new skis will be completely foreign (less controllable), making them/us get into awkward body positions and ski in a “jumpy" manner so that we can create enough force to turn them. We will also take a straighter line in which we will slide the top of the turn then hit the edge hard, creating a higher peak force (mostly centered around the bottom of the turn where force is highest already), while leaning back to get the radius needed, since the sidecut in the tip will not allow the ski to turn in a forward/centered body position. Outside of the injuries this type of skiing will create by creating a higher sheering force on the knee (commonly associated with ACL tears), it will also cause greater fatigue, which is one of the leading injury causes. The ski industry has produced many studies tracking millions of skier visits over the last 30+ years in which they have found the advent of sidecut has juristically reduced injuries (mainly to the knee). I'm more inclined to believe a study that has tracked millions of skiers over 30+ years then a study in which testing was concluded in 2 days with less then 10 athletes. Injuries happen when the athletes are taken out of their comfort zone and we will not be in our comfort zone with these skis.
So how will this ruin the sport? The new skis will make skiing at the World Cup level less enjoyable to watch and perhaps more importantly far less enjoyable to participate in while making it more dangerous. Arcing clean turns is a joy everyone racing now days can enjoy. That feeling will be gone. First World Cup athletes will suffer this fate then in a couple years when the rules become FIS wide 15 year old kids will have to turn in their “old" carving skis for long straight skis. This will give the big kids an even bigger advantage and will drive kids out of ski racing; into freesking or the copious amount of other sports kids have available to them. Another way it will ruin the sport is the economically side. Ski racing is to ski technology as Formula 1 is to car technology. This new rule will take that away from ski racing since anyone will be able to buy better skis in a store then we race on. Why would ski companies stay in racing if it were no longer driving technology and sales? Ski companies are the main financial supporters of this sport; the athletes make the majority of their income for their ski companies and the amount equipment built for World Cup skiers is astronomical. If the athletes are no longer driving R&D and sales, the companies will eventually pull their support. Most athletes struggle to make a living at this sport already and without the support of the ski companies most won't be able to afford to continue racing. And there goes the sport of ski racing.
FIS's tyranny doesn't just cover ski regulations but all sponsorships too, from the size of your headgear sponsor to the speed suit to the logo on your goggles. I am particularly concerned about the goggle logo issue for the obvious reason that I own a goggle/helmet company; Shred. FIS has long had a rule that the logo on the goggle strap could not be larger than 15 square centimeters. The rule has been ignored for just as long as it's been around and for good reason, you can't read a 15 square cm logo on someone travelling at speed and it was never enforced. This fall, out of the blue FIS decided they were going to enforce this rule, for seemingly no reason. Enforcement now is apparently, first a warning followed by not being allowed to start the race on the second offense. Most logos currently are 40-50 square centimeters. There is no point sponsoring a ski racer let alone start a company based around ski racing when one's logo is too small to be noticeable. This hurts small companies like mine the most since it greatly takes away Shred's ability to get valuable impressions to break through. Outside of this rule's enforcement being a bad idea, it was not made known to companies early enough so they could put together the logistics to comply or what will likely happen in the future, decide their marketing budget is better spent else where. Which gets me to the greater point of FIS seemingly trying to drain the pockets of the athletes, since a large portion of athletes' income is derived from helmet/goggle companies. I would think it would be in the sports, therefore FIS's best interest to create value for not only FIS's sponsors but also the sponsors that allow the athletes to compete at a high level.
Not only will FIS not listen to rejections from SRS and NGB's on the ski regulations and logo issues as a show of complete power. It wants to fine athletes for speaking out against FIS. I was threatened several years ago for wearing a “FIS SUCKS" sticker on the back of my helmet. (I was 2 minutes late to a pre bid draw meeting and forced to start 45 while I was leading the standings hence the sticker.) I was told that a similar action would result in a 5000 CHF fine. Most recently word is that FIS is thinking about suing Jon Olsson for his choice comments he made on his blog about the ski regulations and posting “FIS SUCKS" logo on his site. At the most recent FIS meeting they discussed punishments for athletes speaking out against them. I quote an excerpt from that meeting, “The Council agreed to develop a “Code" to deal with cases of improper behavior that fall outside the competence of the competition jury to augment the existing rules, such as blasphemy on social networking sites or bringing the sport into disrepute." Who would have thought that being a ski racer you lose your right to free speech.
One would think there would be some discourse to combat these atrocities but there is not at this point. Apparently Bill Marolt; the President of USSA and Vice President of FIS doesn't even have the ability to bring these subjects up for discussion, let alone reversed or revised. The athletes to this point have had zero representation in the decisions FIS makes. When we hear of FIS's decisions and we disagree we are ignored as shown in Soelden. Faceless committees make these decisions, and once the mandates are passed down their ego doesn't allow them to admit wrong and reverse rules that are so obviously wrong. Unfortunately for alpine ski racing FIS monopolizes the sport so any and all changes will be hard fought or take FIS vastly rethinking their position in how the sport processes or more likely regresses. Perhaps it's time to unionize the athletes or start an alternative tour. (An athlete union is now developing but it remains to be seen how effective it will be.) This should serve as warning for sports like freeride skiing and snowboarding, don't let FIS monopolize your sport. FIS will bleed your sport dry of what has made it so cool.
Ted Ligety
PS Feel free to repost this anywhere and everywhere.
Corin
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Terje om FIS
Vilken? DO WANT!CookieMonster sa:väldigt sant! eDoggo och hyllengren har ju faktiskt med just "FIS sucks" på en av hoodsen i årets kollektion, så det är då inte bara terje som höjer rösten!
Angående FIS, så undrar man ju hur man kan få uppdraget att organisera en idrott utan att verka vara insatt i idrotten överhuvudtaget.
Den som får detta arbete kommer ju i princip bestämma åt vilket håll det går, i Sverige i alla fall: https://www.freeride.se/jobb/277_sportchef-freestyle-slopestyle/
MnO
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Terje om FIS
Fanimej en RIKTIGT konstig regeländring. Eller om det nu är ett regelförslag kanske än så länge. Det kan man ju verkligen hoppas. För ett par år sedan ändrades ju reglerna från 21m/min 185cm till 27m/185cm. Det gjorde att förvisso att racestock-gs blev lite mindre attraktiva på friåkningspistsmiskarmarknaden, men för raceåkarna och tekniken i världscupen gjorde det ingen större skillnad. Möjligen rätades banorna lite efterhand och farten ökade, men många körde ändå på 23-26m radie även om reglerna tillät 21m. Men att ta klivet upp till 35 meter (först var ju förslaget 40 meter!!) och min 195 är ren idioti. Vad fasen är anledningen? Otroligt dåligt underbyggt resonemang tycker jag. Det kommer bli tråkigare att åka och tristare att titta på tävlingarna när det får sladdas i tid och otid.
För att inte tala om skillnaden för breddåkningen i klubbracingverksamheten i Sverige och andra länder som inte har gott om stora skidanläggningar där folkmassorna bor. 27 eller 21 meter gör redan det stor skillnad i möjligheterna att lägga bra och roliga storslalombanor i låglandsbackar. Att gå upp till 35 meter och minst 195cm kommer i princip att omöjliggöra att man kan ha roligt med regelrätta skidor i de lokala backarna med storslalom.
En annan aspekt är juniorerna. De är uppväxta med carvingteknik och ser det som helt naturligt att skidorna svänger genom kantning. Ska man då redan i tidig ålder tvinga barnen att åka på spikraka gamla lagg, om man har den minsta ambition att få fram världsstjärnor i framtiden. Några av alla dessa kids som testar att åka bana kommer ju faktiskt att nå hela vägen till toppen. Man ser redan nu skillnaden i åkarnas skolning. De som var unga tidigt i carvingåldern och inte är verkligen från grunden skolade på tex de nya slalomlaggen har inte en chans att ändra tekniken, även om de försöker. De blir frånåkta av yngre åkare som på ett helt självklart sätt kör med jämn viktfördelning osv. Se bara på Anja som har försökt ställa om till "de nya skidorna" i tio år snart. Iofs har hon vunnit en del på vägen, men hon har ändå aldrig lyckats nå upp i tekniknivå till de yngre åkarna som har skolats från de första stegen på kortradieskidor.
Nej, FIS... det här är inte bra. Gör om gör rätt.
För att inte tala om skillnaden för breddåkningen i klubbracingverksamheten i Sverige och andra länder som inte har gott om stora skidanläggningar där folkmassorna bor. 27 eller 21 meter gör redan det stor skillnad i möjligheterna att lägga bra och roliga storslalombanor i låglandsbackar. Att gå upp till 35 meter och minst 195cm kommer i princip att omöjliggöra att man kan ha roligt med regelrätta skidor i de lokala backarna med storslalom.
En annan aspekt är juniorerna. De är uppväxta med carvingteknik och ser det som helt naturligt att skidorna svänger genom kantning. Ska man då redan i tidig ålder tvinga barnen att åka på spikraka gamla lagg, om man har den minsta ambition att få fram världsstjärnor i framtiden. Några av alla dessa kids som testar att åka bana kommer ju faktiskt att nå hela vägen till toppen. Man ser redan nu skillnaden i åkarnas skolning. De som var unga tidigt i carvingåldern och inte är verkligen från grunden skolade på tex de nya slalomlaggen har inte en chans att ändra tekniken, även om de försöker. De blir frånåkta av yngre åkare som på ett helt självklart sätt kör med jämn viktfördelning osv. Se bara på Anja som har försökt ställa om till "de nya skidorna" i tio år snart. Iofs har hon vunnit en del på vägen, men hon har ändå aldrig lyckats nå upp i tekniknivå till de yngre åkarna som har skolats från de första stegen på kortradieskidor.
Nej, FIS... det här är inte bra. Gör om gör rätt.
MnO
Aktiv medlem
Terje om FIS
Hehe, dags för ett par JJ AK 195 i racestock-utförande?Jarle sa:
Jag håller ju med om att den effektiva längden kan påverkas med rocker, men knappast radien. Om det nu inte finns ett kryphål för 5-pointers. Annars gör rocker ingen skillnad alls i en pressad gs-sväng. Det är ju bara i inledningen i av svängen som den märks, och då inte i skäret, utan på väg in i det.
delta
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Terje om FIS
Jag tänker inte glida in och säga något för eller mot FIS, men just det där har en poäng.Jarle sa:
Väldigt mkt firmor/organisationer vill tjäna pengar på sporten (oavsett om det är FIS eller under TTR ledning, eller AFP eller vad det heter för freeski). Om det visar sig att det är något speciellt trick/obstacle, som till och med visar sig vara farligt över den normala livsfaran (hur det nu skulle funka), kanske är det då läge att säga att man skiter i det tricket/obstaclet. Samtidigt är ju utövarna själv med på risken. Samtidigt kanske vissa inte är med på risken efter ett tag men fortsätter för att det är typ ett jobb och det är det som krävs. asch, vet inte vad jag vill säga det är ju typ allt "över-huvud" och av stål.
Samtidigt alla som går runt med "fis sucks" vet nog inte ens vad det handlar om utan för att det är coolt med en sån sticker precis som det tydligen var coolt att gå runt med "i ride for kevin" sticker... sista fallet lite lätt smaklöst...IngemarH79 sa:
Jag tycker man ser ganska ofta uppe på glaciärer skidklubbar/nationallag som del av dagen (som gimmick? eller faktiskt träning?) kör på gamla sunkskidor.MnO sa:
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SiSt
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Terje om FIS
Hm, en helt rett ski som har en kontinuerlig rocker på f.eks. 20m, vil jo ha en 20 meters radie dersom man kanter den 90 grader. Festlig nok kan man da kjøre 20 meters svinger uten at skien bøyer seg utover den forhåndsbøyde rockeren. (Selvfølgelig problemer med støveldrag her, menmen.) (Blir nesten nødt til å lage en sånn ski en gang, men trenger litt bedre r&d -budsjett for å kunne forsvare noe så tullete.)MnO sa:
Poenget mitt er vel at man kan påvirke svingradien med rocker. Hva som ville skjedd da? FIS forbyr rocker i alle former, og man er virkelig tilbake på 80-tallet.
MnO
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Terje om FIS
Hmm... ett ytterst teoretiskt resonemang, även om jag förstår vad du menar. Kantar du däremot 89 grader så kommer du oavsett grad av rocker bara ha en punkt på skidan som ligger i snön om skidan är helt rak om underlaget är helt fast. Och i det läget kommer du inte att få någon skärande sväng som följer en kurva. På mjuk snö, eller kanske framförallt i mjuk snö, är det naturligtvis annorlunda, men det är knappast något som ens behöver nämnas i samma mening som F-IS.SiSt sa:
Jag menar fortfarande att en skida med 35m radie kommer att svänga precis lika mycket i ett rent skär på isigt underlag oavsett om den har ett normalt spann eller en rejäl full rocker, så länge man kantar skidan så att den böjer sig mer än den förböjda formen. Kantar man mindre än rockern så blir skidan instabil och kommer inte att skära, och kantar man mer så spelar rockern ingen roll. Lätt in i sväng är en sak. Egenskaper i skär en annan.
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Kaskar
Aktiv medlem
Terje om FIS
Terje har väl alltid varit emot FIS. Med all rätt. Vad hände med IFS eller vad det hette?
För övrigt är ju snowboardtävlingar det tråkigaste som finns. Och inte ens slalomtävlingarna lycka de få till. Hela tanken med att köra hardboots är ju att kunna ta långa svepande svängar men varje gång jag tittar på det har de ju lagt banan så det är hasande hoppsväng som gäller. Då kan man ju lika gärna åka på en bobmed
För övrigt är ju snowboardtävlingar det tråkigaste som finns. Och inte ens slalomtävlingarna lycka de få till. Hela tanken med att köra hardboots är ju att kunna ta långa svepande svängar men varje gång jag tittar på det har de ju lagt banan så det är hasande hoppsväng som gäller. Då kan man ju lika gärna åka på en bobmed
delta
Aktiv medlem
Terje om FIS
ISF (vet inte heller varför de dog).Kaskar sa:
Snowboardtävlingar som är kompakt konstruerade dvs typ pipe, big air, railjams, eller kombos bigair/rail (som oneill davos), är ju riktigt nice. Långa slopestyle håller jag med, händer för lite. Att titta på FIS la molina förra vintersäsongen var ju öde... kommer inte ihåg om xgames slopestyle var intressant eller inte...
Jarle
Aktiv medlem
Terje om FIS
Nu kan jag ha sjukt fel men jag har för mig att FIS fick rättigheterna till kval för OS i pipe och satte reglerna som så att om man deltog i ISF tävlingar så var man automatiskt utesluten ur FIS kvaltävlingar... Helt enkelt som så att åker du med ISF så kan du glömma OS eller FIS arrangemang där pengarna finns att hämta.Kaskar sa:
SiSt
Medlem
Terje om FIS
De sørget ihvertfall for at du måtte delta i FIS-konkurranser for å kvalifisere, og så var det slik at mange av FIS-konkurransene foregikk samtidig med IFS sine. Sammen med minimumskrav til antall konkurranser du måtte kjøre var jo dette en effektiv taktikk for å ta livet av IFS.Jarle sa:
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Terje om FIS
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snabelapan
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Terje om FIS
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