I Trysil i Norge har de en camping vid en av liftarna. Och Trysil är riktigt trevligt.
Har gjort Norge kors och tvärs under 15 år. Trysil går bort big time eftersom campingar går bort big time. Vi har husbil för friheten. Campingar på vintern innebär en massa krångliga procedurer och är ofta fulla av säsongsliggare och måste bokas. Vi åker dit det snöar. Dessutom kostar den 500 kr natten. Blir dyra dagskort det.I Trysil i Norge har de en camping vid en av liftarna. Och Trysil är riktigt trevligt.
Bra info och översikt. Så länge den nu gäller
Kanske Ivo kan verka för vettiga förhållanden för husbilar på ”sina” anläggningar… ännu en tom nisch att fylla verkar det som.
Vore kanon. Problemet är ofta att anläggningarna äger även ortens camping. Och man har inte kunskap om vad husbilsägarna vill ha och varför man åker husbil. Och det är inte för att spara pengar, för det gör man inte.
Vilka reaktioner tänkte du på då? När jag minns tillbaka så känns det som att de flesta artiklar och forumaktivitet som varit på områden varit ganska positiv, om än med brasklapp för att det kan vara rätt krångligt. Eller kanske är precis det du menar iofs, att det är för mycket positiv vigör runt husbilsgrejen så att det blir svårt att få till en förändring?
Samtliga skidanläggningar som ingår i ScandinavianSkipass har camping i anslutning till liftarna. Däremot varierar det nog om dessa campingar tar emot "strögäster"; platserna brukar vara mer eller mindre uppbokade av säsongsuppställda husvagnar (med tillhörande spiketält).
Nej, menade inte den aspekten. Det är ju den förskönande, felaktiga drömmen som media ser artikelpotential i och i det fallet mera vanlife-vaianten, inte barnfamiljen som åker på sportlov i sommarhusbilen. Tror det t.ex.var Åka Skidor som nyligen länkade till en video om husbil. Lite symptomatisk var hon tvungen att ta in på Engelbergs camping. Stod faktiskt på Verbiers parkering som granne med den husbilen för några år sedan.
Tolkar det så. Exakt besked ska komma från regeringen senare under dagen. Verkar vara en 10+10 avstängning så julen är än så länge inte i fara.
Jo, men vi är inte alls intresserade av camping, vilket jag redan berört och kan utveckla långt. Ställplatser eller öde nattparkering utan krångel och ingen bokning, ja tack.
Tack @Hawkeye61 för länken.
charterresa till friheten i Sverige..?
Känns lite som repris från förra året med lockdowns inför julen och sedan inte öppna upp igen.
Vallåsen?
Jag antar att parkeringen vid Åre Strand inte tillåter husbilar på vintern? Tycker mig ha sett bilder på att det står några där på sommaren.
Ja, eller vaccinerade med för den delen. Det är ju total lockdown nu.
Nej, tror inte det.
Verkar som det bara är på sommaren; de verkar tyvärr ha parkeringsförbud över natten mellan 1a December & 30e april.
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Är säkert olika från land till land, men restriktioner här i norden (så långt jag vet iaf) styrs av trycket på sjukvården - vilket i allra högsta grad påverkas mer per ovaccinerad person än per vaccinerad person (ref. NHI-informationen jag länkade till dig ovanför).Känns som att mantrat "nedstängningar och vaccinpass är pga ovaccinerade" är tunnare och tunnare...
Official Public Health England Data Says COVID Infection Rates Higher in Vaxxed Than Unvaxxed
Demolishes case for vaccine passports.summit.news
Paul Joseph WatsonKänns som att mantrat "nedstängningar och vaccinpass är pga ovaccinerade" är tunnare och tunnare...
Official Public Health England Data Says COVID Infection Rates Higher in Vaxxed Than Unvaxxed
Demolishes case for vaccine passports.summit.news
Public Health England
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Jo, svenska plogare har väldigt svårt stt vrida på ratten, oavsett täckningsbidrag.Verkar som det bara är på sommaren; de verkar tyvärr ha parkeringsförbud över natten mellan 1a December & 30e april.
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Inget nytt. Vaccination enda som hjälper i detta skede..om man inte vill ha återkommande lockdowns.Tur att man råkar vara en Spectatorprenumerant
The absurd theatre of vaccine passports
From magazine issue: 20 November 2021
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When a column highlighting under-appreciated breaking news has had absolutely no impact on the course of events (per usual), the urge to make the same point again is irresistible.
In August, Public Health England released data which shows that vaccination does not appreciably guard against Covid infection and transmission and protection worked out at around 17 per cent for the over-fifties. As I observed then, this would mean the vaxxed and unvaxxed pose a comparable danger to each other. All Covid apartheid schemes are therefore insensible.
Fresher information has fortified this conclusion of the summer. In every age group over 30 in the UK, the rates of Covid infection per 100,000 are now higher among the vaxxed than the unvaxxed. Indeed, in the cohorts aged between 40 and 79, infection rates among the vaccinated are more than twice as high as among the unvaccinated. PHE’s fruitlessly rechristened body, the UK Health Security Agency, frantically clarifies that the data ‘should not be used to estimate vaccine effectiveness’, a caveat which I include for the sake of accuracy. But the differences in the infection rates are drastic enough for you to draw your own conclusions.
As for the comparative contagiousness of each group, the data is mixed. A study published in Nature early last month confirmed PHE’s finding that the Covid-positive vaxxed and unvaxxed carry nearly identical viral loads; hence they should be similarly infectious. But viral load turns out to drop more quickly in the vaccinated, making them infectious for a shorter period. The study shows that ‘people who become infected with the Delta variant are less likely to pass the virus to their close contacts if they have already had a Covid-19 vaccine than if they haven’t’.
That’s the good news. Now for Nature’s bad news: ‘But that protective effect is relatively small, and dwindles alarmingly at three months after the receipt of the second shot… Unfortunately, the vaccine’s beneficial effect on Delta transmission waned to almost negligible levels over time.’ Three months after vaccination, your chances of passing on the Delta variant are ‘on par with the likelihood that an unvaccinated person will spread the virus’.
Mercifully, the vaccines’ protection from hospitalisation and death is slumping slowly and remains considerable. Stress on healthcare systems and excess deaths are the only reasons Covid is a concern of government.
All this information is in the public domain. Yet due to doublethink, idiocy, mulishness, duplicity, derangement or all of the above, policy-makers are refusing to act on its implications. The absurd theatre of vaccine passports in continental Europe is worse than pointless. Gatekeeping of pleasure palaces promotes the wrong impression — statistically, the lie — that the unvaccinated riff-raff exiled to the pavement pose a far graver threat of communicable disease than the diners in the nearby banquette who, like you, have righteously got the shot. In truth, the double-jabbed airline passenger in 24A can be just as risky a seat-mate as the great unwashed banished from the flight.
Officialdom’s stubborn refusal to register that vaccination does not rule out Covid infection or transmission has catastrophic consequences. As England’s adult social care sector has more than 100,000 vacancies already, the compulsory sacking of unvaxxed care-home staff could close up to 500 facilities that the nation can’t afford to lose. A vaccine mandate for NHS employees will likewise lead to significant staff attrition, when the service also suffers from about 100,000 unfilled jobs.
Stopped for now by the courts, Joe Biden has bullied on with his edict that all American businesses with 100 or more employees require their whole workforce to be vaccinated, or submit to onerous weekly testing, with a whopping $14,000 fine per unvaxxed hire. Austria has just implemented a lockdown for its entire unvaccinated population of two million. Already barred from restaurants, hair salons and cinemas, now these poor pariahs can barely leave the house.
The myth of ultra-contagious anti-vaxxers dispersing plague like rats in the Middle Ages has fostered gratuitous rancour and division. A friend in New York declared recently that she hoped all the unvaccinated would simply die.
By spearheading the vaccine drives, governments have attached themselves to a product. They’re implicitly in league with the pharmaceutical industry, not by means of a conspiracy, but because of perceived common interest. Successful vaccine? Successful government. The mainstream media and swaths of the medical establishment have also attached themselves to the product. All these parties are in cahoots to maintain a Manichean social partition: you must be all in, or you’re all against. Any appreciation for the risks or limits of vaccines casts you as a dreaded anti-vaxxer. So any feel for nuance makes you stupid. Any short-of-fanatical devotion to the perfect benevolence of vaccines makes you crazy.
Yet the product is a bit of a disappointment. It reduces death and hospitalisation, but can’t stop Covid from spreading. The virus continues merrily to sweep through heavily vaccinated populations. What we have here, then, is an advertising problem. The purveyors of products are inclined to overpromise. Adverts for a hair-loss treatment tend to boast not ‘Stimulates some minor follicular growth’, but rather ‘Cures balding!’ Having oversold their adopted elixir, governments won’t retreat from the cures-balding pitch. ‘Won’t keep you from getting sick or even from making other people sick, but prevents dying a lot of the time!’ makes for a lukewarm slogan.
I’m double-vaccinated — gladly so, on balance. But I’ve no fear of vaccine virgins. As the medical case for shunning the unvaccinated is unconvincing, vax passports and employment mandates function purely as blackmail. As a judge decreed when staying Biden’s edict: ‘The mandate’s true purpose is not to enhance workplace safety, but instead to ramp up vaccine uptake by any means necessary.’
Much western public health policy is now irrational. Governments need to detach from the product. Instead, they’ve detached from the facts.
Written byLionel Shriver
Tur att man råkar vara en Spectatorprenumerant
The absurd theatre of vaccine passports
From magazine issue: 20 November 2021
[iStock]
Text settings
CommentsShare
When a column highlighting under-appreciated breaking news has had absolutely no impact on the course of events (per usual), the urge to make the same point again is irresistible.
In August, Public Health England released data which shows that vaccination does not appreciably guard against Covid infection and transmission and protection worked out at around 17 per cent for the over-fifties. As I observed then, this would mean the vaxxed and unvaxxed pose a comparable danger to each other. All Covid apartheid schemes are therefore insensible.
Fresher information has fortified this conclusion of the summer. In every age group over 30 in the UK, the rates of Covid infection per 100,000 are now higher among the vaxxed than the unvaxxed. Indeed, in the cohorts aged between 40 and 79, infection rates among the vaccinated are more than twice as high as among the unvaccinated. PHE’s fruitlessly rechristened body, the UK Health Security Agency, frantically clarifies that the data ‘should not be used to estimate vaccine effectiveness’, a caveat which I include for the sake of accuracy. But the differences in the infection rates are drastic enough for you to draw your own conclusions.
As for the comparative contagiousness of each group, the data is mixed. A study published in Nature early last month confirmed PHE’s finding that the Covid-positive vaxxed and unvaxxed carry nearly identical viral loads; hence they should be similarly infectious. But viral load turns out to drop more quickly in the vaccinated, making them infectious for a shorter period. The study shows that ‘people who become infected with the Delta variant are less likely to pass the virus to their close contacts if they have already had a Covid-19 vaccine than if they haven’t’.
That’s the good news. Now for Nature’s bad news: ‘But that protective effect is relatively small, and dwindles alarmingly at three months after the receipt of the second shot… Unfortunately, the vaccine’s beneficial effect on Delta transmission waned to almost negligible levels over time.’ Three months after vaccination, your chances of passing on the Delta variant are ‘on par with the likelihood that an unvaccinated person will spread the virus’.
Mercifully, the vaccines’ protection from hospitalisation and death is slumping slowly and remains considerable. Stress on healthcare systems and excess deaths are the only reasons Covid is a concern of government.
All this information is in the public domain. Yet due to doublethink, idiocy, mulishness, duplicity, derangement or all of the above, policy-makers are refusing to act on its implications. The absurd theatre of vaccine passports in continental Europe is worse than pointless. Gatekeeping of pleasure palaces promotes the wrong impression — statistically, the lie — that the unvaccinated riff-raff exiled to the pavement pose a far graver threat of communicable disease than the diners in the nearby banquette who, like you, have righteously got the shot. In truth, the double-jabbed airline passenger in 24A can be just as risky a seat-mate as the great unwashed banished from the flight.
Officialdom’s stubborn refusal to register that vaccination does not rule out Covid infection or transmission has catastrophic consequences. As England’s adult social care sector has more than 100,000 vacancies already, the compulsory sacking of unvaxxed care-home staff could close up to 500 facilities that the nation can’t afford to lose. A vaccine mandate for NHS employees will likewise lead to significant staff attrition, when the service also suffers from about 100,000 unfilled jobs.
Stopped for now by the courts, Joe Biden has bullied on with his edict that all American businesses with 100 or more employees require their whole workforce to be vaccinated, or submit to onerous weekly testing, with a whopping $14,000 fine per unvaxxed hire. Austria has just implemented a lockdown for its entire unvaccinated population of two million. Already barred from restaurants, hair salons and cinemas, now these poor pariahs can barely leave the house.
The myth of ultra-contagious anti-vaxxers dispersing plague like rats in the Middle Ages has fostered gratuitous rancour and division. A friend in New York declared recently that she hoped all the unvaccinated would simply die.
By spearheading the vaccine drives, governments have attached themselves to a product. They’re implicitly in league with the pharmaceutical industry, not by means of a conspiracy, but because of perceived common interest. Successful vaccine? Successful government. The mainstream media and swaths of the medical establishment have also attached themselves to the product. All these parties are in cahoots to maintain a Manichean social partition: you must be all in, or you’re all against. Any appreciation for the risks or limits of vaccines casts you as a dreaded anti-vaxxer. So any feel for nuance makes you stupid. Any short-of-fanatical devotion to the perfect benevolence of vaccines makes you crazy.
Yet the product is a bit of a disappointment. It reduces death and hospitalisation, but can’t stop Covid from spreading. The virus continues merrily to sweep through heavily vaccinated populations. What we have here, then, is an advertising problem. The purveyors of products are inclined to overpromise. Adverts for a hair-loss treatment tend to boast not ‘Stimulates some minor follicular growth’, but rather ‘Cures balding!’ Having oversold their adopted elixir, governments won’t retreat from the cures-balding pitch. ‘Won’t keep you from getting sick or even from making other people sick, but prevents dying a lot of the time!’ makes for a lukewarm slogan.
I’m double-vaccinated — gladly so, on balance. But I’ve no fear of vaccine virgins. As the medical case for shunning the unvaccinated is unconvincing, vax passports and employment mandates function purely as blackmail. As a judge decreed when staying Biden’s edict: ‘The mandate’s true purpose is not to enhance workplace safety, but instead to ramp up vaccine uptake by any means necessary.’
Much western public health policy is now irrational. Governments need to detach from the product. Instead, they’ve detached from the facts.
Written byLionel Shriver
Bommade kopian länkar? Verkar saknas till PHE/UKHSE-rapporten.Tur att man råkar vara en Spectatorprenumerant
It reduces death and hospitalisation, but can’t stop Covid from spreading
